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would pull a pole which a rope was fastened and let it snap back, this would free the ice and we would go a short distance, when this happened I would miss the last trolley at Jamaica junction and have to go to City Line and walk a half a mile to the Jamaica Ave trolley which ran all night, I would get home about four in the morning, Ann and I had a special letter carrier Frank Deitrich he came to Jamaica six days a week, it cost me plenty whiskey to have these letters delivered. Pop Borman had about five hundred pigs at that time the pig pens were in Green Acres about where the Grand Union Supermarkets located, he also had several produce wagons, I went to the Lhalabout market with Frank Borman several times,